In the latest episode of The Landscape podcast, Bart Farrell and Sylvain Kalache sit down with Aurélie Vache, a developer advocate at OVHcloud. With over 18 years in IT and a CNCF Ambassador role, Aurélie shares her insights into the world of Kubernetes and other cloud-native tools alongside her dedication to making complex tech concepts accessible through visual explanations.
Aurélie also looks forward to attending KubeCon in Salt Lake City, where she’ll present her first technical talk in North America. In it, she’ll discuss how to create and distribute plugins for Kubernetes in minutes and even extend the Kubernetes CLI.
Tune in to hear more about Aurélie’s journey, her favorite projects, and what she’s excited about for the future of cloud-native technologies!
This episode is sponsored by OVHcloud.
Bart Farrell (00:00.4)
and I will stick to the order of the questions that I sent you on Slack. right? Okay, so first things first, Orly, can you tell us about who you are, where you work, what do you do?
Aurélie Vache (00:13.239)
Hi, so I’m Aurélie Vache. As you can hear, I’m French. Joke, joke. I have been working on IT for over 18 years, and I am a developer, advocate.
at OVHcloud for three years. At OVHcloud, I am working mainly in the container and orchestrator field on Kubernetes, private registry based on Arbor, and on Rancher.
Cloud native is a domain that I have loved for more than seven years. And I’m a science ambassador, a co-coach captain, I’m very invested in tech communities.
Bart Farrell (01:42.723)
Good. Now you mentioned you’re a CNCF ambassador. I happen to be one as well. What’s your area of focus? Because different ambassadors do different things. What are the things that you like to do as an ambassador?
Aurélie Vache (01:52.561)
As a CNCF ambassador, I mainly share about CNCF tools. As a speaker in tech conferences and meetups and in…
the post and in a few days.
I think my area of focus is about cloud, native novice and pooling.
And my particularity is that I love trying to explain complicated text with simple words and some in illustrations.
In a visual way.
Sylvain Kalache (03:15.472)
Yeah, people learn different ways, so the visual aspect definitely helps a lot of time. So really, yeah, definitely. I used to be in education and we were focusing on learning by doing instead of learning by listening, and a of people do better by doing, so visual is definitely one of these components. So really, there is a lot of…
Aurélie Vache (03:24.789)
I can see BT. Yeah, yeah.
Sylvain Kalache (03:45.328)
project in the CNCF landscape. If you had to pick three of your favorite ones, which one would they be?
Aurélie Vache (03:52.575)
Only three?
Sylvain Kalache (03:54.114)
Yes, for today. We can interview you another time.
Bart Farrell (03:58.063)
For today! today we’ll have you back! We’ll have you back! We’ll talk about 30! god!
Aurélie Vache (04:00.951)
Yes.
Three thousand? No, no, three, okay. I’m trying. I’m trying. I’m trying. So… Yes, yes, yes. So if I need… If I need to choose only three, I will start by Kubernetes.
Sylvain Kalache (04:06.2)
Hehehehehe
Bart Farrell (04:07.375)
Ha
Bart Farrell (04:15.153)
That’s gonna be a great clip.
Aurélie Vache (04:33.141)
Obviously.
Sylvain Kalache (04:34.672)
You
Aurélie Vache (04:39.687)
Even if we celebrated the 10th anniversary of Kubernetes, I am still excited about this technology and the new features. technology is a constantly evolving. So it is important to continue using it and to keep up to date with the new changelogs.
Bart Farrell (05:32.463)
Perfect. Now, sorry, go ahead. Keep going. Yeah, keep going, keep going, keep going. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I’ve got a follow-up question, but anyway, keep going.
Aurélie Vache (05:34.089)
About you, no? Number two? Number two… dream roll. Number two is for me is kind. Kubernetes in Docker. It’s an easy tool for deploying local Kubernetes.
Sylvain Kalache (05:35.62)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sylvain Kalache (05:43.952)
Yeah
Aurélie Vache (06:03.915)
clusters and even if the tool was primarily…
designed for testing Kubernetes itself. I love to use it for development, POC, demo, tutorials, and talks.
Do you… Do you… Use it?
Sylvain Kalache (06:52.976)
As, as, yeah.
Aurélie Vache (06:53.206)
Kind?
Bart Farrell (06:53.422)
Not yet, but I suppose I need to try.
Aurélie Vache (06:56.681)
Not yet, I’ll try it.
Sylvain Kalache (06:57.102)
I’ve used it actually. I’ve used it to run Core EFI. It’s implementation of Cloud Foundry, but based on Kubernetes. Actually, it’s fully cloud native. So if you want to check it out, you can run it on Kind actually.
Aurélie Vache (07:15.314)
Yeah, okay.
And the third is… Drumroll. Caverno. Caverno, for me, it’s a very useful and very powerful policy and engine that is really a cloud.
I have been using OPA gatekeeper years ago and it was not easy to write and to debug a Rio policy. And for me, thanks to Kaivano, we can easily…
create our own policies.
Bart Farrell (08:23.683)
Good very very good and I you know I’ve heard similar things about you know the differences between Kavera and OPA and one of them as you pointed out, know being Cloud native or also Kubernetes native, know, like built with with that in mind something that comes up But I know these can be very sensitive subjects for some people so I have to try to be neutral Depend on people’s use cases depend their experiences now You attend coupons fairly regularly. What are you looking forward to about this one in Salt Lake City?
Aurélie Vache (08:40.854)
Yes.
Aurélie Vache (08:53.576)
Coming to KubeCon is always an opportunity for me to chat, to discuss and share with other TMCF amateurs from around the world.
It’s the perfect moment to discover new tools and discuss with project maintainers and contributors. A few years ago, I discovered the…
Falco attack Kupkon. It’s a near real-time sweat detection tool. Another thing, I have been in the CFP program committee, one of the track share.
in the cloud native no-fix track so I can’t wait to see the talks we reviewed and we hope to select in the final program. And this upcoming…
will be very special because first I will have a talk a technical talk and it’s the first year who will be sponsor with OVHcloud
Aurélie Vache (11:21.545)
in North America.
As we are a European cloud provider with an international presence, I am happy because we will have a booth. and to be cool.
Sylvain Kalache (11:55.125)
Very good. Congratulations on getting your talk accepted. It’s such a challenge to get one in. So congratulations. you tell us more about your talk if the audience wants to attend? And also, do you have another one or two talks that you would recommend the audience to attend?
Aurélie Vache (12:00.548)
Thank you.
Aurélie Vache (12:15.944)
Yes, yes. the talk, we will talk about how to create and…
distributes a plugin for Kubernetes for KubeCTL in a few minutes. And in fact, we will talk about the…
possibility of extending the Kubernetes CLI by creating our own plugin with live demos. And it will be so fun. It will be so, fun.
I will be at the talk with my friend Gael, I guess, and we are very happy because it’s the first time we’ll do this talk in not…
Only in the French. So it’s good. In the US. Tell some.
Bart Farrell (14:04.257)
Very good. Yeah, cool. International expansion.
That’s good. good. It sounds like you’ve got a very busy schedule ahead of you. we, I think it’s a reminder that KubeCon can be very overwhelming. So it’s good to have a concrete plan. And it sounds like you’ve got some very specific things you’re going to be doing. Also remember, you know, for, we talked about the projects earlier, the project pavilion is a great place to go and speak to maintainers directly. You you mentioned three projects, but there could be 30 or 3000. Yeah. So we’ll have you back for another episode. Anyway, I to really thank you so much for your time today.
Aurélie Vache (14:26.799)
Yeah, it’s good.
Aurélie Vache (14:31.525)
Honestly!
Bart Farrell (14:38.483)
and look forward to seeing you on the ground in CoopCon in Salt Lake City. Alright, take care. Cheers.
Aurélie Vache (14:41.969)
Thank you, bye bye, have a good day.
Sylvain Kalache (14:43.266)
Thank you, Arlie. Bye.